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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 07 Oct 2018 - 22:37 Post title : Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer | | | Fab,
I have a question. How/where did you successfully clamp on the Lazer Monkey. I felt early on that I wasn't going to clamp the Lazer securely to any part of the pulley. I kept repositioning, even on the belt with legs on pully.
What's the secret?
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| | | GerPa | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,919 | | Location | : | Mackay, Central Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2018 - 06:38 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: rayglo) | | | rayglo wrote:
Fab,
I have a question. How/where did you successfully clamp on the Lazer Monkey. I felt early on that I wasn't going to clamp the Lazer securely to any part of the pulley. I kept repositioning, even on the belt with legs on pully.
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This will draw some arguments BUT
IMO the Secret is "Use the Triumph Alignment tool". I have had and sold My Laser Aligner, As usual different people will have different views but I literally spent 100's &100's of hours fucking around with different alignments and I found the laser aligner was the MOST inaccurate as it could move around on the rear drive pulley and really had no correlation to the Axel alignment specs. and as it was a DOT and NOT a beam I believed and found there to be too much error, I even made up a cross hair target for the front pulley to try and aim the dot at but still never had success.
Pretty sure this was covered elsewhere on the forum a number of times.
The picture below show how My laser mounted.
This picture below show the DOT on the Front Pulley flange,However because the Alignment tool could move around a bit no matter how tight it was clamped on the pulley and across /sideways shimming had to be exactly perfect on the back pulley it meant it was NOT necessarily in the best alignment. Sure it was close but not as close as the Triumph Tool and The Digital Callipers.
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| | | AZCactus | | Taranis | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,524 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2018 - 09:07 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: GerPa) | | | No argument here just a preference. Between the Triumph tool, digital calipers and laser, i use laser to adjust the belt perpendicular to the rear pulley. The front cog is not used in the allignment process imo.
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| | | GerPa | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,919 | | Location | : | Mackay, Central Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2018 - 12:15 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: AZCactus) | | |
AZCactus wrote:
No argument here just a preference. Between the Triumph tool, digital calipers and laser, i use laser to adjust the belt perpendicular to the rear pulley. The front cog is not used in the allignment process imo. |
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In the picture above you can see the V directly below the laser red beam in the Laser Aligner which has to be shimmed to be exactly in the middle of the outside flange of the rear pulley, That Flange really has no correlation with the Flange on the front pulley as the swing arm might not be straight or worn thus making the Laser Aligner next to useless
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2018 - 19:43 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: GerPa) | | | Thanks fellas,
I do remember all these posts about lazers. At the time I was not a DIY guy. But I made an attempt. I can see that the Lazer may have some purpose, but not for my bike. I suspect something with my rear tire is out of whack. Wether it be alignment, swingarm or warped rotor. Seems as though the rotor is barely clearing the bracket. I made an adjustment to give it some clearance. And I guess it's off to the dealership. I did put new rear pads in but as I said I don't like the relationship between the rotor and where it meets at the rear of the caliper bracket. It's too close. I am almost afraid to give the dealership to much info. And see what they tell me. The bike is getting older, I am getting older and I never learned the skills of bike maintenance. Fuel, oil filter and oil are not a problem. Coolant and simple tasks either. I don't have JBQ lifting brackets which adds to the scare. I will take it in for a chirping belt and see what they come back with. Any competent tech will realize a warped rotor or a swing arm out of alignment ( let's hope).
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2018 - 20:38 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: GerPa) | | |
GerPa wrote:
AZCactus wrote:
No argument here just a preference. Between the Triumph tool, digital calipers and laser, i use laser to adjust the belt perpendicular to the rear pulley. The front cog is not used in the allignment process imo. |
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In the picture above you can see the V directly below the laser red beam in the Laser Aligner which has to be shimmed to be exactly in the middle of the outside flange of the rear pulley, That Flange really has no correlation with the Flange on the front pulley as the swing arm might not be straight or worn thus making the Laser Aligner next to useless |
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I guess it depends on the method. After bike preparation, I set the belt perpendicular to the rear pulley by moving the laser dot alongside the belt's outer edge (adjust wheel as needed). ...anyway works for me, no chirps, squeals, etc. And perhaps consider the swingarm tool (optional) to check for play.
  
 
where's davetac for technical support??  
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| | | GerPa | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,919 | | Location | : | Mackay, Central Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2018 - 22:39 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: AZCactus) | | |
AZCactus wrote:
where's davetac for technical support?? |
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 In the early days Dave wasent much use. He couldn't get it until we explained it to him 100times. Then the penny dropped.
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2018 - 23:28 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: AZCactus) | | | That's one clean bike Rich. I have two questions.
1- on the outer of the swingarm I have 2 bolts as do you. But you also have one one the inside.
Is that your doing or factory?
2- the tape measure is for ? Measuring distance for play in the swingarm? Can you please explain.
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| | Posted : 09 Oct 2018 - 00:46 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: rayglo) | | | Ray,
1- davetac's suggestion to stabilize the axle, prevent it from moving backward while accelerating or hitting an odd bump.
2- tape measure to set the dots equally, squaring wheel to swingarm (note belt tension).
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| | Posted : 09 Oct 2018 - 03:29 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: AZCactus) | | |
| AZCactus wrote: ...I guess it depends on the method. After bike preparation, I set the belt perpendicular to the rear pulley by moving the laser dot alongside the belt's outer edge (adjust wheel as needed). ...anyway works for me, no chirps, squeals, etc. And perhaps consider the swingarm tool (optional) to check for play. |
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+1 and ditto. And the bike doesn't really need to be level. The alignment of the belt is still just relative to the pulley, whatever angle it's at.
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| | Posted : 09 Oct 2018 - 09:43 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: rayglo) | | | rayglo wrote:
...The bike is getting older, I am getting older and I never learned the skills of bike maintenance. Fuel, oil filter and oil are not a problem. Coolant and simple tasks either.... |
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It sounds like you don't have the means to jack the rear tire off the ground. True?
Chances are the swingarm alignment is ok (unless the bike was in a wreck) but check it with the swingarm tool. The laser will troubleshoot and determine a warped rotor. If you could pull the tire with room to inspect the caliper, an adjustment or part replacement would get you back on track.
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 09 Oct 2018 - 20:59 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: AZCactus) | | | True I don't have a safe way of jacking the bike. The rotor has clearance at this point and I will take it into the dealership. Rich I can't stop looking at that FTR 1200. This week I will go to the dealership and check things out. I will keep you posted.
I will be 62 soon, and I see one more bike in my future. This Indian seems to have a lot going for it. It's a couple hundred pounds lighter and that's a plus. Except for spending more money there doesn't seem to have a down side.
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| | Posted : 10 Oct 2018 - 18:22 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: rayglo) | | | rayglo wrote:
True I don't have a safe way of jacking the bike..... |
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That's a tough one. You're very limited (as you know) servicing the bike and saving big on maintenance n repairs (tire change and balance, belt alignment and tension, brake pad replacement, suspension work, etc.). Of course there're a number of jack options should you keep the ole gal. 
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 10 Oct 2018 - 22:42 Post title : Re: Belt/Chain/ Monkey Lazer (Re: AZCactus) | | | Brake pads I can do, I fitted rear shocks if that is what you mean. Not front springs and fluid. All the rest I am sure I can do if I could be someone's apprentice. I don't mind fuel filter, plugs, oil, radiator coolant. So I am not totally useless. I like the bike but thinking of the future, while I still might be able to change brands and start off new
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